First Person Envelope [Solved]

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First Person Envelope [Solved]

Postby Deviss » Fri Jan 29, 2010 11:44 am

hello to all, bothering again here :P, i wanted made one new first person model but when i put it ingame this appear up and no move, surely i need envelope it the same than on unit , so my question is, how i envelope first person? the same way than unit, in this case enveloping only to forearm and hands??

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Re: First Person Envelope

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Re: First Person Envelope

Postby Deviss » Fri Jan 29, 2010 2:51 pm

Maveritchell wrote:http://www.gametoast.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=11296

i must extract bones from unit template beta? so how i got bone_r_wrist XD?

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First Person Model template

Postby AceMastermind » Sat Jan 30, 2010 11:00 am

I can send you a first person model XSI scene if you want it, you can use it as a template.

EDIT
Ingame test with additional geometry (cone)
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Test scene setup (*no enveloping required)
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Export options selected:
Export Selected Models Only


As you can see in the screenshots, this template works fine.
This was a direct conversion of Pandemic's rep_1st_trooper.msh. Everything came through the conversion correctly except for the keyframes (which is to be expected). Without the keyed bones (pos & rot) the geometry was invisible ingame, but with the keyed bones, animations and all worked fine.



Here's the 1st person template if anyone is interested in making a custom FPM:
rep_1st_trooper.zip


Quick instructions (revised):
1. Download the 1st person template above and import into XSI
2. Place your new arm/hand geometry in the hierarchy (no enveloping required*)
3a. Branch select dummyroot and export (if using Pandemic Tools)
3b. Select dummyroot then export with 'Export Animation' ticked (if using ZE Tools)


*You should be able to use the single/multi object envelope method setup also, it shouldn't really matter since animations feed off the bone hierarchy and not the geometry.

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Re: First Person Envelope [Solved]

Postby Deviss » Sun Jan 31, 2010 1:51 am

Solved thanks to:
DarthD.U.C.K. - exported first model
FragMe! - made the perect template, and very useful help teaching me how to

many thanks Ace for you effort, anyway many thanks because you helped me many times also :D

ADMINS: could please post this topic on XSI tutorials for the next person can have the template :D??

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Re: First Person Envelope [Solved]

Postby FragMe! » Sun Jan 31, 2010 10:09 am

DEVISS-REX wrote:FragMe! - made the perect template, and very useful help teaching me how to


For those who are curious, what I sent wasn't that special, basically it was this.

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The square is the DummyRoot location, the diamond is the hp_camera and the pyramid is the hp_weapons. The rest of the bones you can determine by color. The mesh parts are enveloped in a very basic manner.

This would work very well with what Ace posted (actually haven't D/L it because FF is taking way to long to get to the part to D/L) but knowing Ace it is probably very close to the picture anyway. :)

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Re: First Person Envelope [Solved]

Postby Deviss » Sun Jan 31, 2010 11:46 am

@FragMe!: many thanks for the explain picture keep it now :D

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Re: First Person Envelope [Solved]

Postby DarthD.U.C.K. » Wed Oct 13, 2010 8:52 am

BUMP!
after three days i figured out where the 1stpersoncamera is (the position is not 100% correct but pretty close)

ive added a pyramid indicating the players FOV to the firstpersontemplate (i dont know if its FragMe!s or AceMasterminds).
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you can download it here, you should use it if you vant to put some kind of visor in the first person. i hope somebody finds this helpfull

offtopic: i scanned the faqthread for this thread, but i couldnt find it. it would be probably better to find if it was labeled "first person model" instead of fpm (just my humble opinion)
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Re: First Person Envelope [Solved]

Postby Deviss » Wed Oct 13, 2010 9:10 am

downloading now :D, this will be very useful for help to icemember in his custom FPMcommando , thanks again DarthDUCK!! :wink:

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Re: First Person Envelope [Solved]

Postby AceMastermind » Wed Oct 13, 2010 6:43 pm

DarthD.U.C.K. wrote:... after three days i figured out where the 1stpersoncamera is ...

It took you 3 days to find hp_camera?
Your download link is broken already, don't use Filefront.

DarthD.U.C.K. wrote:... i scanned the faqthread for this thread, but i couldnt find it ...

It looks to me like you found it! :)

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Re: First Person Envelope [Solved]

Postby DarthD.U.C.K. » Thu Jul 07, 2011 9:05 am

AceMastermind wrote:It took you 3 days to find hp_camera?

finding hp_camera took me less then a second :P but finding out where the camera really is and how its rotated took me 3 days. hp_camera points straight ahead but the actualy 1stperson-camera is rotated along all axes ingame. (you can see that a bit on the screenshot i posted)

AceMastermind wrote:Your download link is broken already, don't use Filefront.

:shock: really? what the...? can you give ma an advice for a better uploadingsite?

EDIT: REFERENCE FOR COCKPITVIEWS
ive made a reference for cockipitviews/vehiclefirstpersons. is basically the gunturret firstperson. i added a plane called "screen" which marks the area that will be seen in firstperson. the middle of the plane is where the reticule will be. the plane is in the position of the camera ingame so anything behind it wont be visible. i know, its nothing special and really easy to do but i hope it can be handy for someone who makes a new cockpitview and doesnt want to figure around first.

so...after this rambling you can download the .emdl file here from mediafire

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